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Huguenot this Weekend

Jul 13, 2012 by alexb

I'm sailing at Huguenot this weekend if anyone's around Jax and wants to join me. I'll be all the way at the end of the beach. Bring your longboard and a medium-large sail. The Bic 170 and a 7.5 did pretty well today. Got a few nice rides and no shore break carnage. :) Too bad the fun waves are at the break. Couple of shots from today...

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Might want to bring your 4wd. I didn't stick around to find out how high the tide would get.



Replies:

Date: 07/24/2012
From: fhawk

I think the SUP/sail makes some sense when you have really solid waves and not much wind. That virtually never happens in the Gulf, but on the east coast does--so if I lived over there, I might go for that rig. But, I still surf shortboards, so I have a natural aversion to returning to my longboard days, either surfing (when I started in Jax Bch, all boards were longboards) or windsurfing. I doubt I would need more than a 6.0 or 6.3 though, as I have found over 20 years of experimenting and owning sails from 9.0 on down, that there is very little to be gained for someone my size with larger rigs, and a smaller guy has a very hard time managing a 7.0 or larger sail in the waves. Alex, that is very interesting about learning to waterstart on a big sail. I have tired teaching this skill on standard rigs, and it is very hard to teach. Maybe a large sail makes sense so the novice can get the feel of being pulled out of the water, then can later learn how to really step up on the board. I tell everyone at Shell Pt that this skill is the only one you really need to wavesail, but they can't seem to learn it.
Date: 07/23/2012
From: pottsburg

Great, the more I know the less I know!
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

Looking at the charts (2nd link) says Hotsails works OK with the Ezzy masts. So the freak may not be that bad with my powerex mast. Hotsails is a bit towards the flex top and Ezzy is constant curve. My powerex mast is the older RDM model with similar characteristics as the Ezzy masts. Works perfectly on my Freeride 7.5. The Gaastra is a RED NO for the Ezzy masts which could explain why I can't tune it worth a crap. Just a thought...
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

A lot of the 6.x's are designed for 430cm masts and a lot of the 8+ sails will use 490. Some sails have vario heads (adjustable) but a lot of times the sails wont rig properly. They'll still work and you probably wont notice the difference; at first. You can mix and match some brands but it's best to get the masts that are designed for the sail.

Here are a couple of links to see mast/sail compatibility specs. Just because the IMCS is ideal doesn't mean the masts are the same (stiff top, soft top, constant curve)
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/compatible-mastsail-brands/ http://joewindsurfer.blogspot.com/2008/07/masts.html

It took me a while to see and feel how the sail should rig properly and I still have much to learn. I don't like the way my Gaastra sails rig on the Chinook/Powerex masts. The leech is way too floppy when fully downhauled. My Ezzy 8.5 looked awful rigged on an old Neil Pryde 490 mast. The leech would never get lose. I sent pictures to Ezzy and he replied on how to try and tune it but it never rigged like the videos/forums/emails said it should. Then I got the Ezzy mast for it and the sail finally looked perfect. Then came all the play with adjustments (downhaul/outhaul). At first it seemed like that 1cm wouldn't make a difference but it makes a huge one. I still can't get the same out of my Gaastra sails; could be the sail user though.

My 460 Powerex mast isn't ideal for the HSM superfreak 7 I just picked up. In fact the designer of the sail says it's about 60% compatible. I'm not expecting much but the sail price was right. So I'll live with it until the right mast comes along. Guess I learn the hard way. :)
Date: 07/23/2012
From: pottsburg

Any banner you see flying out there, it's me...it's an awesome job but it is absolute TORTURE to watch people ride all day long when it's breezy out!! I'd like to think a 460cm mast with a 45cm extension (buying this weekend) would have me covered for anything between 6.5 and 8.5. Playing with downhaul adds range to the sail so I feel like I could manage with just 2 sails for now. I hear ya, Fred, there's no wind here, so I'd rather have an 8.5 slalom and just cruise up and down the coast. I appreciate the help!
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

Fred:
Light wind SUP sailing is the new fad! :) I'm hoping to get a 110L FSW board sometime. Just enough to uphaul and not be restricted by the slowness of the SUP in the turns. You guys should try it one day, it's not a crazy speed rush like you're used to but more of the longboard surfing beach boy fun. And it gets you on the water. pottsubrg:
Did you have the McDonalds logo on the plane? :)

For what it's worth check out this sail size calculator:
http://jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2010/11/updated-windsurf-calculator-online.html
Just plug in your weight and it'll give you an approximation of the size you need to be planing. What are your current sail(s)/masts/booms? A 6.5 and an 8.5 sail will more than likely require different masts. So if you want two sails, one boom and one mast that may not work in those sizes. (I could be wrong I'd have to research).

I personally started with a 6.0 and soon after got the 8.5 when I knew I wanted more power. I'm around 175lbs. I learned to waterstart with the 8.5 because it just yanked me out of the water at the Huguenot pond. Everything I read online said to learn it with a smaller sail. Well, when there's no wind, you can't learn waterstarts with a small sail and if you keep waiting for wind you'll never learn anything in FL. (At least that's how I feel about my planing gybes right now).

If you only stick with two sails, you'll only have certain conditions you can go out in.
Date: 07/23/2012
From: fhawk

Alex is the big sail guy, so he will have to respond. My biggest sail now is 5.3 and my light wind board is an 84 liter Goya Quad, but I only weigh 145 lbs. I only sail in the waves (or what we call waves in the Gulf).
Date: 07/23/2012
From: pottsburg

Yeah I forgot, the waves were going off this weekend! If you saw an airplane fly overhead with a banner behind it then you saw me! I hate to hijack the thread but you guys seem to know North FL conditions well enough for me to ask...I'm quickly progressing, 180lbs and just got the BIC 283 which is 152L. I'm looking to get 2 sails, does a 6.5 and an 8.0/8.5 sound good for a two sail quiver? I want to be able to go out in the 10/15kt days and have the 6.5 for fun days. Thanks ahead of time and I'm glad I joined the forum!
Date: 07/23/2012
From: fhawk

Alex-- I have to admire your spunk in getting out into waves when there is virtually no wind. If you are using a 7.0, it is maybe blowing 12-14. Once you are down in the impact zone, there will be about 5 mph, and with any current that means very little or no apparent wind at all. That means drifting all the way in, assuming you can hold your rig in the break. Otherwise, swim practice. Judging by the twisted metal of your extension, it looks as if you have already exceeded design load limits by a significant amount. Fred
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

Err, just remembered it's not the Swift. The Swift is the 2 cam freeride sail. I'm using the 2001 Gaastra Echo 6.6 which is more of a freestyle sail.
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

Fred, I completely agree with you, a smaller sail is easier in the waves but it's either sit on the beach or take my chances. Anything caught in the break and getting washed has a chance of failure. The Gaastra swift 6.6 was my usual SUP sail in Huguenot waves and it's not bad. The dacron HSM 7.0 superfreak is supposed to be lighter and tougher witha shorter clew. I've had the Swift washed and thrown around in the break many times. I've had two RDM extensions bent and one cracked in half with that sail (pic below) and the sail survived. (best $50 i ever spent) Learning to wavesail isn't light-wind putting around safe but now that I tried it I have to feed the rush by all means necessary. :)



large pics:
Broken RDM 1
Broken RDM 2
Broken RDM 2
Date: 07/23/2012
From: fhawk

Alex-- I dunno about 7.0 wave sails. There is a reason Naish only makes a 5.7 Session as its largest wave sail, and a 6.3 Force as it biggest power wave sail. These are at the limits of practical size that can be handled in the waves, and still be waterstarted in the break. Even though Ezzy makes a 6.9 Wave Panther, it is really more for bump & jump. Once you get over 6.0 in the waves, it becomes very hard to waterstart in the surf, and you get washed in the rinse cycle a lot. Also, with that much force on a large sail, gear breakage goes way up. Fred Hawkes
Date: 07/23/2012
From: alexb

I'm only in Jax a couple of times a month usually for the weekends. That is unless the wind's blowing, then I'm, ugh, visiting parents much more often because I miss them. Yeah, that's it. :)

I couldn't believe how packed the beach was that Saturday and I guess the audubon society finally got the permission to close off the far end. Four people watching birds while 4k people are packed in like sardines. Didn't stick around too long and dipped once the tide starting coming in.

The Bic 283 could be fun in the waves with low wind. I just picked up a used HMS SuperFreak 7.0 that I'm hoping to use as my largest wave sail. The Ezzy Freeride V 7.5 works but the clew is much shorter on the freak so it should be better. Also hoping it might work with the 96L board since the 6.6 works and has a longer clew. Can't wait to try!
Date: 07/23/2012
From: pottsburg

I ride out there! Stepping up to a techno 283 and piecing together a new setup. I'm pretty free during the week so hit me up if you go out then...looking for a 8-9.5 sail so I can go whenever



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